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== Upcoming vote on the revised Enforcement Guidelines for the Universal Code of Conduct ==
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Hello all,

In mid-January 2023, the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Revised enforcement guidelines|Enforcement Guidelines]] for the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct|Universal Code of Conduct]] will undergo a second community-wide ratification vote. This follows [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Enforcement guidelines/Voting/Results|the March 2022 vote]], which resulted in a majority of voters supporting the Enforcement Guidelines. During the vote, participants helped highlight important community concerns. The Board’s [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Community Affairs Committee|Community Affairs Committee]] requested that these areas of concern be reviewed.

The volunteer-led [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Drafting_committee#Revisions_Committee_members|Revisions Committee]] worked hard reviewing community input and making changes. They updated areas of concern, such as training and affirmation requirements, privacy and transparency in the process, and readability and translatability of the document itself.

The revised Enforcement Guidelines can be viewed '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Revised enforcement guidelines|here]]''', and a comparison of changes can be found '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Revised enforcement guidelines/Comparison|here]]'''.

'''How to vote?'''

Beginning '''January 17, 2023''', voting will be open. '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Revised enforcement guidelines/Voter information|This page on Meta-wiki]]''' outlines information on how to vote using SecurePoll.

'''Who can vote?'''

The '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised enforcement_guidelines/Voter_information#Voting_eligibility|eligibility requirements]]''' for this vote are the same as for the Wikimedia Board of Trustees elections.  See the voter information page for more details about voter eligibility.  If you are an eligible voter, you can use your Wikimedia account to access the voting server.

'''What happens after the vote?''' 

Votes will be scrutinized by an independent group of volunteers, and the results will be published on Wikimedia-l, the Movement Strategy Forum, Diff and on Meta-wiki. Voters will again be able to vote and share concerns they have about the guidelines. The Board of Trustees will look at the levels of support and concerns raised as they look at how the Enforcement Guidelines should be ratified or developed further.

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--[[Foydalanuvchi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|AAkhmedova (WMF)]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|munozara]]) 12:32, 10-Yanvar 2023 (UTC)

== <section begin="announcement-header" />Umumjahon xulq-atvor kodeksini qo‘llash bo‘yicha yo‘riqnomaning qayta ko‘rib chiqilgan tahriri bo‘yicha ovoz berish boshlandi.<section end="announcement-header" /> ==
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Salom, 

''(Bu xabar Google translate yordamida tarjima qilingan, xatolar boʻlsa uzr soʻrayman.)''

[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines|Umumjahon xulq-atvor kodeksini ijro etish bo‘yicha yo‘riqnomaning qayta ko‘rib chiqilgan tahriri]] uchun [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines/Voting|ovoz berish]] boshlandi. Ovoz berish muddati ikki hafta davom etadi va '''2023-yil 31-yanvar soat 23:59 '''(UTC) da tugaydi. Kim ovoz berishi va qanday ovoz berishini bilish uchun [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines/Voter_information|Meta-wiki-dagi saylovchilar haqida ma'lumot]] sahifasiga tashrif buyuring.

Xulq-atvor kodeksining ijro etish qoidalari va ovoz berish jarayoni haqida batafsil ma'lumot olish uchun [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines/Announcement/Voting_1|oldingi postni]] o'qing.

Loyiha jamoasi nomidan, --[[Foydalanuvchi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|AAkhmedova (WMF)]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|munozara]]) 20:20, 18-Yanvar 2023 (UTC)

== Global ban for PlanespotterA320/RespectCE ==

Per the [[m:Global bans|Global bans]] policy, I’m informing the project of this request for comment: [[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for PlanespotterA320 (2) ]] about banning a member from your community. --[[Foydalanuvchi:Lemonaka|Lemonaka]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Lemonaka|munozara]]) 20:55, 6-Fevral 2023 (UTC)

:Thank you for notifying us. She hasn't engaged in any disruptive editing on our project. On the contrary, she [[Maxsus:Contributions/PlanespotterA320|has been making]] a lot of useful maintenance edits lately. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 00:51, 7-Fevral 2023 (UTC)
:[[User:PlanespotterA320]] has been globally banned per [[m:Requests for comment/Global ban for PlanespotterA320 (2)]]. [[Foydalanuvchi:AntiCompositeNumber|AntiCompositeNumber]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:AntiCompositeNumber|munozara]]) 21:23, 24-Fevral 2023 (UTC)

==<section begin="announcement-header" />Universal Code of Conduct revised enforcement guidelines vote results<section end="announcement-header" />==
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The recent community-wide vote on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines |Universal Code of Conduct revised Enforcement Guidelines]] has been tallied and scrutinized. Thank you to everyone who participated.

After 3097 voters from 146 Wikimedia communities voted, the results are 76% in support of the Enforcement Guidelines, and 24% in opposition. [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines/Voting_statistics|Statistics]] for the vote are available. A more detailed summary of comments submitted during the vote will be published soon.

From here, the results and comments collected during this vote will be submitted to the Board of Trustees for their review. The current expectation is that the Board of Trustees review process will complete in March 2023.  We will update you when their review process is completed.

On behalf of the UCoC Project Team,
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--[[Foydalanuvchi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|AAkhmedova (WMF)]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|munozara]]) 18:49, 15-Fevral 2023 (UTC)

== <section begin="announcement-header" />Community feedback-cycle about updating the Wikimedia Terms of Use starts<section end="announcement-header" /> ==

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Hello everyone,

[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Legal_department|Wikimedia Foundation Legal Department]] is organizing a feedback-cycle with community members to discuss updating the Wikimedia Terms of Use.

[[:foundation:Special:MyLanguage/Terms of Use|The Terms of Use (ToU)]] are the legal terms that govern the use of websites hosted by the Wikimedia Foundation. We will be gathering your feedback on a draft proposal from February through April. The draft will be translated into several languages, with written feedback accepted in any language.

This update comes in response to several things:
* Implementing the Universal Code of Conduct
* Updating project text to the Creative Commons BY-SA 4.0 license
* Proposal for better addressing undisclosed paid editing
* Bringing our terms in line with current and recently passed laws affecting the Foundation, including the European Digital Services Act

As part of the feedback cycle two office hours will be held, the first on March 2, the second on April 4. 

For further information, please consult:
* The [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Legal department/2023 ToU updates/Proposed update|proposed update of the ToU by comparison]]  
* The page for your [[m:Talk:Terms of use|feedback]]
* Information about [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Legal department/2023 ToU updates/Office hours|the office hours]]

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--[[Foydalanuvchi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|AAkhmedova (WMF)]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|munozara]]) 19:57, 21-Fevral 2023 (UTC)

=== <section begin="announcement-header" />Reminder: Office hours about updating the Wikimedia Terms of Use<section end="announcement-header" /> ===

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Hello everyone,

This a reminder that the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Legal_department|Wikimedia Foundation Legal Department]] is hosting [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Legal department/2023 ToU updates/Office hours|office hours]] with community members about [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia_Foundation_Legal_department/2023_ToU_updates/Proposed_update|updating the Wikimedia Terms of Use]].

The office hours will be held on '''March 2, at 17:00 UTC to 18:30 UTC.''' See for more [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Foundation Legal department/2023 ToU updates/Office hours|details here on Meta]].

Another office hours will be held on April 4.

We hereby kindly invite you to participate in the discussion. Please note that this meeting will be held in English language and led by the members of the Wikimedia Foundation Legal Team, who will take and answer your questions. Facilitators from the Movement Strategy and Governance Team will provide the necessary assistance and other meeting-related services.

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--[[Foydalanuvchi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|AAkhmedova (WMF)]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|munozara]]) 12:04, 2-Mart 2023 (UTC)

== IMPORTANT: Admin activity review ==

Hello. A policy regarding the removal of "advanced rights" (administrator, bureaucrat, interface administrator, etc.) was adopted by [[metawiki:Requests for comment/Activity levels of advanced administrative rights holders|global community consensus]] in 2013. According to this policy, the [[metawiki:stewards|stewards]] are reviewing administrators' activity on all Wikimedia Foundation wikis with no inactivity policy. To the best of our knowledge, your wiki does not have a formal process for removing "advanced rights" from inactive accounts. This means that the stewards will take care of this according to the [[metawiki:Admin activity review|admin activity review]].

We have determined that the following users meet the inactivity criteria (no edits and no logged actions for more than 2 years):

# Sociologist (administrator)

These users will receive a notification soon, asking them to start a community discussion if they want to retain some or all of their rights. If the users do not respond, then their advanced rights will be removed by the stewards.

However, if you as a community would like to create your own activity review process superseding the global one, want to make another decision about these inactive rights holders, or already have a policy that we missed, then please notify the [[metawiki:Stewards' noticeboard|stewards on Meta-Wiki]] so that we know not to proceed with the rights review on your wiki. Thanks, [[Foydalanuvchi:Uncitoyen|Uncitoyen]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Uncitoyen|munozara]]) 09:00, 24-Fevral 2023 (UTC)

:Hi, {{u|Uncitoyen}}! Thank you for letting us know! Indeed, we do not have a formal process for de-sysoping inactive accounts. We've tried to reach {{u|Sociologist}}, but he seems to have retired from wiki projects. Thus, we don't mind him losing his rights. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 19:04, 28-Fevral 2023 (UTC)

== Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2023: We are back! ==

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Hello, dear Wikipedians!<br/>

[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Wikimedia Ukraine|Wikimedia Ukraine]], in cooperation with the [[:en:Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine|Ministry of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine]] and [[:en:Ukrainian Institute|Ukrainian Institute]], has launched the third edition of writing challenge "'''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2023|Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month]]'''", which lasts from 1st until 31st March 2023. The campaign is dedicated to famous Ukrainian artists of cinema, music, literature, architecture, design and cultural phenomena of Ukraine that are now part of world heritage. We accept contribution in every language! The most active contesters will receive [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Ukraine's Cultural Diplomacy Month 2023/Prizes|prizes]].<br/>

We invite you to take part and help us improve the coverage of Ukrainian culture on Wikipedia in your language! Also, we plan to set up a [[m:CentralNotice/Request/UCDM 2023|banner]] to notify users of the possibility to participate in such a challenge!
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== <section begin="announcement-header" />Board of Trustees have ratified the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines<section end="announcement-header" /> ==
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Hello all, an important update on the UCoC Enforcement Guidelines:

The vote on the Enforcement Guidelines in January 2023 showed a majority approval of the Enforcement Guidelines. There were 369 comments received and a detailed summary of the comments will be published shortly. Just over three-thousand (3097) voters voted and 76% approved of the Enforcement Guidelines. You can view the '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal_Code_of_Conduct/Revised_enforcement_guidelines/Voting_statistics|vote statistics on Meta-wiki]]'''.

As the support increased, this signifies to the Board that the current version has addressed some of the issues indicated during the last review in 2022. The Board of Trustees voted to ratify the Enforcement Guidelines. The [https://foundation.wikimedia.org/wiki/Resolution:Approval_of_Universal_Code_of_Conduct_Enforcement_Guidelines resolution can be found on Foundation wiki] and you can read more about the [https://diff.wikimedia.org/2023/03/21/the-enforcement-guidelines-received-strong-support-from-the-community-what-happens-next/ process behind the 2023 Enforcement Guidelines review on Diff.]

There are some next steps to take with the important recommendations provided by the Enforcement Guidelines. More details will come soon about timelines. Thank you for your interest and participation. 

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--[[Foydalanuvchi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|AAkhmedova (WMF)]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|munozara]]) 12:09, 24-Mart 2023 (UTC)

== <section begin="announcement-header" /> Report on voter comments from the revised UCoC Enforcement Guidelines ratification vote<section end="announcement-header" /> ==
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Hello all,

The Universal Code of Conduct project team has completed the analysis of the comments accompanying the ratification vote on the [[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Revised enforcement guidelines|revised Universal Code of Conduct Enforcement Guidelines]]. 

All respondents to the vote had the opportunity to provide comments regarding the contents of the revised Enforcement Guidelines draft document. A total of 369 participants left comments in 18 languages; compared to 657 commenters in 27 languages in 2022. The Trust and Safety Policy team completed an analysis of these results, categorizing comments to identify major themes and areas of focus within the comments. '''[[m:Special:MyLanguage/Universal Code of Conduct/Revised enforcement guidelines/Voter comments report|The report is available in translated versions on Meta-wiki here]]'''. Please help translate into your language. 

Again, we are thankful to all who participated in the vote and discussions. More information about the Universal Code of Conduct and its Enforcement Guidelines can be found on Meta-wiki.

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--[[Foydalanuvchi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|AAkhmedova (WMF)]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:AAkhmedova (WMF)|munozara]]) 09:26, 3-Aprel 2023 (UTC)

== Originali lotin yozuvida yoziladigan ismlarni yozish boʻyicha yangi qoida ==
[[File:Fiction book in uzbek (latin script)6.jpg|thumb|Oʻzbek lotin yozuvida chop etilgan kitoblar]]
Oʻzbekcha Vikipediyada originali lotin yozuvida yoziladigan ismlarni '''aslidek''' yozish, yaʼni rus tiliga taqlid qilgan holda transliteratsiya qilmaslikka [[Vikipediya:Maqolalarni nomlash (kishilar ismlari)|kelishilgan]]. Ammo bu Vikipediyaning asosiy tamoyili — [[VP:Nufuzli manba|nufuzli manbalarga]] tayanish tamoyiliga zid. Bizga yoqadimi, yoʻqmi, oʻzbek tilida <s>rusqullar</s> originalida yoziladigan ismni avval rus tili orqali kirill yozuviga transliteratsiya qiladi, ketidan lotin yozuviga transliteratsiya qiladi. Masalan, [[:en:Donald Trump]] → [[:ru:Трамп, Дональд]] → [[Donald Tramp]]. Bu haqda rasman qoida mavjud boʻlmasa-da, aksar oʻzbekcha manbalarda aynan shu qoidaga amal qilinadi. Xususan, oʻzbek lotin yozuvidagi kitoblar, OAV hamda davlat idoralari saytlarida mazkur qoidaga amal qilinadi. Misol:
# „Yosh kuch“ nashriyoti: [https://asaxiy.uz/uz/product/donald-tramp-biznes-va-haetda-norasmii-talim Donald '''Tramp''': Biznes va hayotda norasmiy taʼlim]
# [[Kun.uz|Kun]]: [https://kun.uz/uz/news/2023/04/05/fox-news-tramp-34-ta-ayblov-boyicha-136-yilga-qamalishi-mumkin Fox News: '''Tramp''' 34 ta ayblov bo‘yicha 136 yilga qamalishi mumkin]; [[Daryo.uz|Daryo]]: [https://daryo.uz/2023/04/05/donald-tramp-ishi-sudlanayotgan-aqsh-sobiq-prezidentini-nimalar-kutmoqda Donald '''Tramp''' ishi: sudlanayotgan AQSH sobiq prezidentini nimalar kutmoqda?]
# Oʻzbekiston Respublikasi Prezidentining rasmiy veb-sayti: [https://president.uz/oz/lists/view/3871 Prezident Shavkat Mirziyoyevning AQSh Prezidenti Donald '''Trampga''' maktubi]

Shuning uchun oʻzbek tilidagi barcha viki loyihalarda '''oʻzbekcha nufuzli manbalarda kishilar ismlari qanday yozilgan boʻlsa, oʻzbekcha Vikipediyada ham shunday yozishimiz''' kerak. Quyidagi bu borada fikr bildirishingizni va/yoki ovoz berishingizni soʻrayman. Muhokamani ikki hafta, yaʼni 2023-yilning 23-aprelgacha olib borishni taklif qilaman.

=== Muhokama ===
Shunchaki ruslarga taqlid qilib transliteratsiya qilish barcha muammoni hal qilmaydi. Bunday qilishning salbiy jihatlari ham bor. Xususan,
# Oʻzbek tilida transliteratsiya qilish qoidalari mukammal ishlab chiqilmagan. Masalan, ayrimlar, jumladan, OAV vakillari oʻzbek tilida Ilon Mask deb yozsa, boshqalar Elon Mask deb yozmoqda. Boshqa tillardagi (fransuzcha, portugalcha va hokazo) ismlarni transliteratsiya qilish masalasida esa bundan ham koʻp qiyinchiliklar kuzatilmoqda.
# Transliteratsiya qilish kerakli maʼlumot topishni mushkullashtiradi, xususan, Vikiombor, Vikimaʼlumotlar kabi Vikipediyaga qardosh loyihalarda. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 14:40, 12-Aprel 2023 (UTC)

Bu taklif qabul qilinsa, [https://kun.uz/uz/news/2023/01/30/haaga-arbitraj-markazi-ozbekistonda-huquq-sohasida-mutaxassislar-tayyorlaydi oʻzbekcha yozadigan nufuzli manbaga] binoan [[Gaaga]] maqolasini [[Haaga]]ga koʻchirish zarurati paydo boʻladi. Va [https://kun.uz/uz/news/2022/05/11/lend-liz-haqida-hikoya-sssr-aqsh-yordamisiz-nemislarni-yenga-olarmidi oʻsha manba] kabi sanalarni chiziqchasiz ("2022 yil 9 may" deb xato qilib), Roʻzevelt deb talaffuz qilinadigan ismni Ruzvelt deb ruschalashtirib yozish kerak boʻladi. Asl materialini kirill yozuvida yozib, uni lotincha konverterga tashlovchi manbalar oʻrniga avvalboshdan lotin yozuvida material tayyorlovchi nufuzli manbalar paydo boʻlgunicha ushbu taklif qabul qilinishi qoldirilishi kerak degan fikrdaman. [[User:Abdulla|<span style="color:#0645AD">Abdulla</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Abdulla|<span style="color:#0645AD">munozara</span>]]</sup> 19:15, 15-Aprel 2023 (UTC)

:Xayrli kun! Kun.uz faqat bir manba, boʻlganda ham etalon manba emas. Kitoblar yaxshiroq manba. Lotin yozuvida kitoblar soni ancha koʻpayib qoldi. Kitoblar esa, tabiiyki, konverter bilan yozilmaydi (odatda). Ruscha orqali transliteratsiya albatta muammosiz emas, ammo Vikipediya faqat koʻzgu boʻlishi kerak. Uzwikiga tashriflar soni ozligi sababi ham shu - aksar oʻzbek tilida soʻzlashuvchi tushunmagan shaklda yozib kelamiz. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 19:32, 15-Aprel 2023 (UTC)

::Tashriflar sonini oshirish oʻrinli va ahamiyatli maqsad, lekin buni maqola ichida "anʼanaviy" (sovet anʼanalari maʼnosida, masalan boyagi Ruzvelt) transliteratsiyani eslatib ham amalga oshirish mumkin, qidiruv tizimlari buni inobatga oladi. ''Kitoblar esa, tabiiyki, konverter bilan yozilmaydi (odatda)'' — bu mulohazani shubha ostiga olaman, negaki aksariyat hozirgi adiblar maktabni kirill yozuvida bitirgan degan taxmindaman. UPD: Kirill-lotin konverteri ishlatilganiga masalan [[:File:Fiction book in uzbek (latin script)6.jpg|bu yerda]] ham gumon bor — tamoman lotin yozuvida yozuvchi adib Sherlok '''X'''olms (Шерлок Холмс transliteratsiyasi) oʻrniga Sherlok '''Houms''' yoki hech qursa '''H'''olms deb yozgan boʻlur edi (Haaga deb yozuvchi muxbirlar balki yangi avlod vakillaridir? — Nima boʻlganda ham ular kam sonli va hali-beri nufuzli manbalarning tahrir siyosatini belgilamaydi). Shu sababdan bu taklif barvaqt degan fikrdaman. [[User:Abdulla|<span style="color:#0645AD">Abdulla</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Abdulla|<span style="color:#0645AD">munozara</span>]]</sup> 21:36, 15-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
:::Oʻzbek tilida yozuvchi shaxslar qaysi qadamlarni bosib oʻtayotgani, qanday jarayonga amal qilayotgani ikkinchi darajali. Vikipediya siyosiy, madaniy yoki til boʻyicha innovatsiya yoki muayyan qarashlarni yoqlash  uchun [[Vikipediya:Vikipediya nima emas|platforma emas]]. [[Vikipediya:Tasdiqlash imkoniyating mavjudligi|Tasdiqlash imkoniyating mavjudligi]] tamoyiliga koʻra, Oscar Wilde deb yozishimiz mutlaq xato, chunki BIRORTA oʻzbek tilidagi manbada bunday yozilmagan. Bizga yoqadimi, yoʻqmi, 1) kitoblar, 2) saytlar va 3) davlat idoralari tomonidan xorijiy ismlar aynan kirill orqali transliteratsiya qilinmoqda. Shunday ekan, aslidek yozishimiz notoʻgʻri. Qolaversa, 30 yilda ishlab chiqilmagan til qoidalari yaqin orada ishlab chiqilishini kutishdan foyda yoʻq deb oʻylayman. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 12:30, 16-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
::::Til qoidalari ishlab chiqilishini emas, nufuzli manbalarning batamom lotin yozuviga oʻtishini kutishimiz kerak demoqchiman. Bugungi kunda ''faqat'' lotin yozuvida chop etuvchi oʻzbekcha nufuzli manba yoʻq, yaʼni avvalboshdan lotin harflarida yoziluvchi oʻzbekcha Vikipediya uchun shunday manbalar yoʻq, demak Oscar Wilde ismini Oskar Uayld qilib yozish [[VP:MTT|mustaqil tadqiqotdir]] (asl materialini lotin yozuvida tayyorlovchi oʻzbekcha nufuzli manbaga asoslanmagan, chunki asl materialini lotin yozuvida tayyorlovchi oʻzbekcha nufuzli manba yoʻq). Shu yuzdan asl materialini lotin yozuvida yozadigan boshqa tildagi (ingliz, fransuz, turk) nufuzli manbalarga tayanish kerak. [[User:Abdulla|<span style="color:#0645AD">Abdulla</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Abdulla|<span style="color:#0645AD">munozara</span>]]</sup> 16:47, 16-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
:::::Bir necha ming kitob oʻzbek lotin yozuvida chop etilgan bugunga qadar. Lotin yozuvidagi rasmiy bildiruvlar esa son-sanoqsiz. Biror xodim dastlab lotin yozuvida yozsa ham (bizga oʻxshab), lotinda ismlarni transliteratsiya qilib yozadi, chunki oʻzbek tilida yozadigan hamma shunday qiladi. Mustaqil tadqiqot qoidasi Vikipediyadagi faoliyatga nisbatan qoʻllaniladi. Kitoblar esa by definition nufuzli manba biz uchun va aynan oʻzbek tilidagi manbalar yordamida nima mustaqil tadqiqot, nima shunchaki rezyime ekanligini aniqlaymiz. Biz aslidek yozayotganimiz oʻzi innovatsiya/mustaqil tadqiqot, chunki originali lotinda yoziladigan ismlarni aslidek yozadigan ''birorta '' oʻzbekcha manba yoʻq. Nihoyat, oʻzbekcha Vikipediya uchun boshqa tillar manba boʻla olmaydi. Qolaversa, nega aynan turklarga qarashimiz kerak, ozarbayjonlarga emas? Ozarbayjonlar transliteratsiya qiladi. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 18:35, 16-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
::::::Oʻsha kitoblar katta ehtimol bilan avvaliga kirill yozuvda yozilgan, keyin konvertatsiya qilingan. Lotin yozuvidagi bildiruvlardagi xorijiy yangiliklar ham shuncha ehtimol bilan ruscha OAVdan olinadi. [[VP:MTT]] aynan tegishli nufuzli manbalarga tayanish kerak deydi. Roosevelt'ni Ruzvelt qilib yozish mustaqil tadqiqot, chunki boya yozganimdek, asl materialini lotin yozuvida tayyorlaydigan oʻzbekcha nufuzli manba yoʻq (Roosevelt haqidagi materiallarni buyuk ehtimol bilan ruscha manbalardan koʻchirib yozishadi). Boshqa tillardagi manbalar oʻzbekcha Vikipediyada ishlatilishi mumkin, agar oʻzbekcha manba topilmasa (masalan [[NGC 1277]] maqolasida oʻzbekchamas manbalar ishlatilgan, chunki predmet haqida oʻzbekcha nufuzli manba topilmagan). Ozarbayjoncha Vikipediya ham [[:az:Franklin Delano Ruzvelt|mustaqil tadqiqotlar]]dan aziyat chekadi (maqolaning manbalari orasida birorta ozarbayjonchasi yoʻq, demak ular shaxs ismini manbalarga asoslanmay shunday yozishibdi). Argument shunday: xorijiy atoqli otlar qatnashgan materiallarini lotin yozuvida tayyorlaydigan va kirill yozuvida yozilgan materiallardan koʻchirmaydigan nufuzli manba mavjud emas ekan, bu masalada materiallarini avvalboshdan aynan lotin yozuvida tayyorlaydigan manbalarga tayanish lozim. Qachonki shunday oʻzbekcha manbalar paydo boʻlsa ushbu taklifni qaytadan kiritish maqbul. Mavjud oʻzbekcha manbalarga esa bunday atoqli otlar qatnashmaydigan maqolalarda bemalol tayanaveraylik. [[User:Abdulla|<span style="color:#0645AD">Abdulla</span>]]&nbsp;<sup>[[User talk:Abdulla|<span style="color:#0645AD">munozara</span>]]</sup> 20:56, 16-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
:::::::Xoʻp, lekin istalgan manba avval kirillda yozilib, ketidan lotinga olinganini qayerdan bilasiz? Shunchaki sizning taxminingiz bu (koʻp holatlarda aynan shunday boʻlayotgani haqiqatga yaqin taxmin boʻlsa-da). Qachondir "falon kitobni birdaniga lotin yozuvida oʻzbekchaga oʻgirdik", deb kim eʼlon qilishlarini kutsak boʻladimi? Tabiiyki yoʻq. Shunday ekan, argumentingiz asossiz deb oʻylayman. Kitob, gazeta-jurnal, davlat idoralari vebsaytlari hammasi transliteratsiya qilyaptimi, demak yozilmagan qoida bu. Yozilmagan boʻlsa-da ''qoida''. Agar oʻzbekcha manbalar ayrimlari aslini yozib, ayrimlari transliteratsiya qilganida, kutib tursak boʻlardi. Amalda deyarli barcha manbalar kirill orqali transliteratsiya qilyapti. Shunday ekan, aslini yozib ham amaldagi qoidani buzyapmiz, ham oʻquvchi yoʻqotyapmiz. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 14:56, 20-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
:::Hali ham 12 yil avvalgi fikringizda ekansiz-e, qoyil :-) https://uz.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Munozara:Bosh_Sahifa&oldid=413419 Umuman olganda, men ham 12 yil avvalgi fikrimdaman (mavzuboshi aytgan rusqullardan bo'lmasam–da (-: ). [[User:Tashfootball|Tashfootball]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Tashfootball|munozara]]) 13:21, 17-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
::::Ayrim kishi ismlari oʻzbek alifbosida yoʻq harflar bilan yoziladi, bu toʻgʻri emas. Shuning uchun oʻzbekcha talaffuzi bilan yozganimiz maʻqul. Masalan: '''[[Mustafa Kemal Atatürk]]''  deb emas, '''Mustafo Kamol Otaturk'''  deb yozishimiz kerak. Deyarli 100% oʻzbek segmentida talaffuziga eʻtibor qaratib yoziladi.[[Foydalanuvchi:Amir.Temur|Amir.Temur]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Amir.Temur|munozara]]) 04:12, 19-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
::::{{u|Tashfootball}}, hormang! Abu aka keltirigan va boshqa argumentlar asosida [https://uz.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Vikipediya:Maqolalarni_nomlash_(kishilar_ismlari)&oldid=2634374 amaldagi qoidalar sahifasini] kaminai nokamtarin oʻzim yaratgandim. Shunchaki oʻquvchini oʻylamay ish tutayotganimiz oʻytlantiryapti meni. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 15:01, 20-Aprel 2023 (UTC)

Meni fikrimcha, [[Oʻzbek tili|o'zbek tili]] qanday o'qilsa shunday yoziladi ruslarga o'xshab (masalan: [[Oʻzbek tili|uz]]:kitob - kitob, [[Rus tili|ru]]:книга - книга, [[Ingliz tili|en]]:buk - book). Shuning uchun biz ham ruslar kabi o'zimizga moslashtirgan holda transliteratsiya qilsak bo'lardi ([[Ingliz tili|en]]: [[Wembley]] - [[Oʻzbek tili|uz]]: Uembli) (Rusqul emasman, shunchaki shaxsiy fikr) [[Foydalanuvchi:Ali Uralov|Ali Uralov]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Ali Uralov|munozara]]) 09:21, 16-Aprel 2023 (UTC)

:Hormang, {{u|Ali Uralov}}! Oʻzbek tilida talaffuz bilan yozuv har doim ham mos tushavermaydi. Toʻliq adabiy tilda soʻzlashadigan insonni uchratmaganman men hali. Ammo bu yerda masala boshqa. Oʻzbekcha manbalar originali lotin yozuvida yoziladigan shaxsiyatlar ismlarini muayyan tarzda yozadi (koʻr-koʻrona kirill orqali transliteratsiya qiladi). Biz esa oʻzbekcha manbalarni mensimay, aslidek yozyapmiz. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 15:13, 20-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
::Roziman [[Maxsus:Contributions/213.230.72.201|213.230.72.201]] 07:52, 24-Aprel 2023 (UTC)

=== Rozilar ===
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# {{Roziman}} {{unsigned|SardorIbnFarhod}}
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Alpasli|Alpasli]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Alpasli|munozara]]) 17:18, 9-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Mrshaxas|Mrshaxas]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Mrshaxas|mun)ozara]]) 23:52, 9-Aprel 2023 (UTC)-->
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Laziz Baxtiyorov|Laziz Baxtiyorov]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Laziz Baxtiyorov|munozara]]) 16:10, 10-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Humoyun Qodirov|Humoyun Qodirov]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Humoyun Qodirov|munozara]]) 16:30, 10-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Rajapova Hulkaroy|Rajapova Hulkaroy]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Rajapova Hulkaroy|munozara]]) 17:58, 10-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Fizik02|Fizik02]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Fizik02|munozara]]) 07:10, 11-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Anjaniy|Anjaniy]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Anjaniy|munozara]]) 19:09, 12-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:smbdone|smbdone]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:smbdone|munozara]]) 20:03, 12-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — Vikipediyada oson qidiruv berish imkoni yaratilishidan va yangi foydalanuvchilar qiyinchiliksiz maqola yaratishlari mumkinligidan faqatgina mamnun boʻlaman [[User:Panpanchik|<span style="color:pink;"></span><span style="font-family:Pristina;"></span><span style="color:#A76BCF">Pan</span><span style="color:#FF69B4">Pan</span><span style="color:#6495ED">Chik</span>]] [[User talk:Panpanchik|<sup>#yozish</sup>]] 17:24, 12-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
#: Bu muammo redirektlar bilan hal boʻladi. [[Maxsus:Contributions/84.54.84.194|84.54.84.194]] 19:54, 12-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
#:: Qidiruv tizimlari indeksatsiyasi-chi? Oʻzbek lotin yozuvida yoʻq harflarni bilmaydigan oʻquvchilar-chi? [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 18:15, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Islomov2|Islomov2]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Islomov2|munozara]]) 1:29, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Sitora Oblakulova|Sitora Oblakulova]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Sitora Oblakulova|munozara]]) 04:55, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — Oʻzbek tilidagi maʼlumot qidirilishida natijadorlik oshishiga sabab boʻluvchi yangi tartibni qoʻllab-quvvatlayman! [[Foydalanuvchi:Kamol Azzam|Kamol Azzam]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Kamol Azzam|munozara]]) 05:47, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Olimidono|Olimidono]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Olimidono|munozara]]) 07:27, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Artemev Nikolay|Artemev Nikolay]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Artemev Nikolay|munozara]]) 07:31, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[User:Husniddin Rasulov|<font face="Georgia"><span style="color:#00008B">Husniddin</span><span style="color:#800000">Rasulov</span></font>]][[User talk:Husniddin Rasulov|<sup>(munozara)</sup>]] 11:32, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Mahmudova Gulsanam|Mahmudova Gulsanam]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Mahmudova Gulsanam|munozara]]) 17:55, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Dunyoxon006|Dunyoxon006]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Dunyoxon006|munozara]]) 10:51, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Azizxon Muzaffarov|Azizxon Muzaffarov]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Azizxon Muzaffarov|munozara]]) 13:13, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Javlonbekvikkiuz|Javlon Qodirov]] ([[Foydalanuvchi_munozarasi:Javlonbekvikkiuz|munozara]]) 17:24, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:ShHamrayev|ShHamrayev]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:ShHamrayev|munozara]]) 23:18, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — Strongly in favor, in order to conform with the most used forms in Uzbek and to provide an easier reading for the title. However, I would propose a small variation of the rule, for example Goethe not to be written as Gyote, but Gete, and a preference on the exact phonetic transliteration rather than Russian-based transliteration (e.g. not Si Szinpin because of Russian, but Si Tsinping instead, this is the true pronounciation). For comparation in Greek, which is written with non-Latin alphabet, we always try to transliterate exactly, rather based in a certain form (for example, as a Greek analogue for Gyote-style transliterations, we used to write Γκράχαμ, but now Γκρέιαμ is prefered for Graham). Thus, I am in favor of the change, with minor variations from the general rule for exact transliteration of the names (e.g. Oskar Uayld and Shi Tsinping rather than Si Szinpin). [[Foydalanuvchi:NikosLikomitros|NikosLikomitros]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:NikosLikomitros|munozara]]) 00:24, 14-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
#:Writing Goethe as Gete is an even worse idea. Nobody spells it as Gete in Uzbek. An Uzbek speaker would pronounce it as /ˈgət.ə/. Currently nearly everyone using the Uzbek Latin script simply spells it as Gyote. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 15:19, 20-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
#::In Greek, for comparison we pronounce it like /'ge.te/, while Gyote is pronounced /'gjo.te/, and Gete is closer to the actual pronounciation. This is the base of my proposal for a small opt-out from the main rule, as Gyote or Szinpin look unnatural to the ear. [[Foydalanuvchi:NikosLikomitros|NikosLikomitros]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:NikosLikomitros|munozara]]) 21:35, 23-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
#:::It's not up to us to come up with exceptions. Wikipedia is not a platform for original research or language conventions. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 08:58, 24-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — Bahonada tahrirlarni ham oshirvolamiz AWBda. Yaxshi gʻoya boʻlibdi. [[User:Salazarov|<font face="Georgia"><span style="color:#931FD5;">'''Salazarov'''</span></font>]][[User talk:Salazarov|<sup> (suhbat) </sup>]] 20:29, 14-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — Asliddin Almardonov {{unsigned|37.110.210.111}}
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Hilola Jurakulova|Hilola Jurakulova]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Hilola Jurakulova|munozara]]) 04:17, 15-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Mr.Samuraii|Mr. Samuraii]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Mr.Samuraii|munozara]]) 09:01, 15-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} {{unsigned|Usmonip}}
# {{Roziman}}  {{unsigned|Ergashev1517}}
# {{Roziman}} – Ayrim kishi ismlari oʻzbek alifbosida yoʻq harflar bilan yoziladi, bu toʻgʻri emas. Shuning uchun oʻzbekcha talaffuzi bilan yozganimiz maʻqul. Masalan: '''[[Mustafa Kemal Atatürk]]''  deb emas, '''Mustafo Kamol Otaturk'''  deb yozishimiz kerak. Deyarli 100% oʻzbek segmentida talaffuziga eʻtibor qaratib yoziladi.[[Foydalanuvchi:Amir.Temur|Amir.Temur]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Amir.Temur|munozara]]) 04:14, 19-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# shu so'zlarga qo;shilaman {{unsigned|84.54.71.170}} 05:53, 19-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} [[Foydalanuvchi:Jamshid Avazovich Djurakulov|Jamshid Avazovich Djurakulov]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Jamshid Avazovich Djurakulov|munozara]]) 05:55, 19-Aprel 2023 (UTC)-->
# {{Roziman}} {{unsigned|213.230.87.82}} 09:25, 19-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{roziman}} [[Foydalanuvchi:Halima Shukurovna|Halima Shukurovna]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Halima Shukurovna|munozara]]) 17:23, 19-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# Meni fikrimcha, biz (aniqrog'i men) maksimal qulaylikni xohlamoqdaman. Siz bildirgan taklif, meni nazarimda noqulaylikka olib kelishi mumkin deb o'ylayapman. Meni fikrimcha, o'zbek tili qanday yozilsa shunday gapiriladi (masalan inglizlarga o'xshab "city" - "siti" emas, balki ruslarga o'xshab "город" - "gorod"). Shuning uchun ham biz o'zimizga qulay bo'lishi uchun ruschasiga aytganda транслитерация qilsak yaxshi bo'larmidi. Baribir qulaylik birinchi o'rinda deb hisoblayman. Rus tilidagi транслитерация ko'p so'zlarimizni tashki qilib bo'ldi. [[Foydalanuvchi:Ali Uralov|Ali Uralov]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Ali Uralov|munozara]]) 16:12, 19-Aprel 2023 (UTC). <br> Yana bir qoʻshimcha qilmoqchi edim, talaffuz boʻyicha yozilishi bu juda maʼqul yoʻl, faqat oʻquvchi oʻsha ismni boshqa manbalardan qidirishi uchun anglab olishida oʻz tilidagi orginalini ham qavs ichida berib ketilsa maqsadga muvofiq boʻlarmidi. Masalan, Yakub(Jakub), Shimon(Szymon), Sofiya(Zofia). {{unsigned|Ali Uralov}}
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Diwikiped|Diwikiped]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Diwikiped|munozara]]) 05:39, 23-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:PirnazarovD|PirnazarovD]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:PirnazarovD|munozara]]) 14:09, 23-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Jamshid Nurkulov|Jamshid Nurqul]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Jamshid Nurkulov|munozara]]) 20:24, 23-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Roziman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Kagansky|'''''Kagansky''''']] '''''([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Kagansky|munozarasi]])''''' 08:57, 24-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
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=== Qarshilar ===
# {{Qarshiman}} — Chunki Ingliz tilini o‘qishni bilmaydigan odamlar vikipediyaga kirib ma‘lumot olaman desa ko‘chirib olsa kimligini tallafuz qila olmaydi. Yana ruslarga taqlid qilmasdan deyapsizlar bu taqliddan qochib taqlidga tutulish degani. Yana gapimdan hafa bo‘lmanglar! {{unsigned|DONABDU2003}} 12:21, 16-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Qarshiman}} — Boshida men talaffuz boʻyicha yozlishi kerak deb oʻylardim (eski krilldagi kabi). Asta-sekin vikiga qadam qoʻydim va angladimki bu shunchaki chalkashtiruvchi ekan. Masalan biz asl nemischa:Leipzig (talaffuzi ''Laypsig'') ni  ruslashtirilgan Leypsig deb olganmiz. Yana jamiki ''H'' harfi bilan boshlanuvchi boshqa tillardagi soʻzlar ruslashish taʼsirida bizga ''G'' yoki ''X'' boʻlib oʻtadi. Biz shuncha payt Haynrix Hayneni Genrix Geyne dedik va yana shunga oʻxshash koʻplab misollar. Menimcha asli lotin tilidagi soʻzlar oʻzicha yozilsa chalkashuvlar boʻlmasdi. Keyin biz ham arab, xitoy, yapon yoki hind kabi oʻzga alifboli tillar uchun ham bir qarorga kelsak yaxshi boʻlardi [[Foydalanuvchi:Mirishkorlik|Mirishkorlik]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Mirishkorlik|munozara]]) 17:37, 12-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
#:Toʻgʻri, ammo Vikipediya amalda qanday yozilsa, shuni aks ettirishi kerak. Vikipediya siyosiy qarashlarni targʻib qilish uchun [[Vikipediya:Vikipediya nima emas|minbar emas]]. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 12:44, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
#::Toʻgʻri men siyosiy emas transliteratsiyaviy tomonidan aytgan edim. Oʻqilishi boʻyicha yozilishiga qarshi emasman, balki ruschadan olib oʻtilishiga noroziman. Agar biz shu tomondan borsak jamiki ''H'' harfi yoʻqoladi. [[Foydalanuvchi:Mirishkorlik|Mirishkorlik]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Mirishkorlik|munozara]]) 14:49, 23-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
#:::Xoʻsh, nima qilish kerak unda? Oskar Uayl deb yozib kitob chiqarayotganalr rus tilidan olmay qaysi tildan olyapti? Misol keltirib, fikringizni toʻliq izhor qilsangiz, yaxshi boʻladi. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 08:56, 24-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
#::::Yengildim buyogʻiga nimadir deyolmayman, chunki shu yerda tilchilarimizning „katta xizmatlari“ samarasi yotibdi. Agarda ular transliteratsiyaviy sistema yaratganlarida edi mana shu forum ham, muhokama ham boʻlmasdi. Muhokamani keyinroqqa surish kerak deyolmayman, unda yana yuz yillar kutib qolsak kerak. Mayli rozi boʻldim ham deylik, ruschada translit qilinmagan soʻzlar bobida qanday yechim boʻladi? [[Foydalanuvchi:Mirishkorlik|Mirishkorlik]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Mirishkorlik|munozara]]) 13:25, 24-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Qarshiman}} - Assalomu aleykum. Faqat inglizcha varianta yozsak to'g'ri emas. Biz hind, xitoy, arab, ispan va ingliz tilidan boshqa tillarni inglizchaga tarjimasin yozamiz. Hozirda ruschaga tarjimasin yozib kelyangan bo'lsak, keyin hammasin inglizcha yozib o'zbek vikipediasin inglizlashtirishga olib kelamiz va oldingi hamma maqolalarni o'zgartirishimiz kerak. Undan oldingi o'zbekchada yozganimiz maqul. Yo'q bolmaydigan bo'lsa hech qaysi tildagi ismlarni inglizcha tarjimasin yozmay hindcha bo'lsa hindcha, xitoycha bo'lsa xitoychasin yozish kerak. Misol uchun Chan Kai shi maqolasin inglizcha nomi bilan yozmay xitoycha Jiǎng Jièshí ingliz tili harflari bilan yozishimiz kerak. [[Foydalanuvchi:Muzaffar Turgunov|Muzaffar Turgunov]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Muzaffar Turgunov|munozara]]) 04:39, 14-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
#:"Assalomu aleykum. Faqat inglizcha varianta yozsak to'g'ri emas" - taklifda nima deyilgan oʻzi? Yaxshilab oʻqing avval. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 14:08, 14-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
#:Fikringizga qo'shilaman. O'zbek tilida qanday aytilsa, shunday yozilishi kerak [[Foydalanuvchi:Xolmuratov Ikrom Oqmanovich|Xolmuratov Ikrom Oqmanovich]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Xolmuratov Ikrom Oqmanovich|munozara]]) 03:44, 31-Avgust 2023 (UTC)
# {{Qarshiman}} - Men bu taklifga qarshiman, qanday talaffuz qilinsa shunday yozilsa yaxshi boʻlardi. [[Foydalanuvchi:Zakovatium|Zakovatium]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Zakovatium|munozara]]) 13:17, 14-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
#:Taklifni tushunmabsiz. Yaxshilab qaytadan oʻqing. [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 14:07, 14-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Qarshiman}} - {{unsigned|Abduvali}}. 09:40 18-Aprel 2023 (UTC)

=== Betaraflar ===

#{{betarafman}} — ''<span style="font-family:Old English Text MT;">[[Foydalanuvchi:Mirzoulug'bek |Mirzo<font color="#10AD00">Ulug'</font>]][[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Mirzoulug'bek|B<font color="#10AD00">ek</font>]]</span>'' 16:18, 10-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Betarafman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Muxriddin Azimov|Muxriddin Azimov]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Muxriddin Azimov|munozara]]) 16:24, 10-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{Betarafman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Finikchik|<font face="Papyrus" color="#ff717c">'''''Finik'''''</font>]][[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Finikchik|<font face="Papyrus" color="#ff717c">'''''chik'''''</font>]] 18:07, 12-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{betarafman}} — <span style="color:red;">[[User:Muzaffar Murodovich|Muzaffar Murodovich]]</span><span style="color:red;"><sup>[[User_talk:Muzaffar Murodovich|munozara]]</sup></span> 17:34, 13-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
# {{betarafman}} – {{unsigned|MisterA22}}
# {{Betarafman}} — [[Foydalanuvchi:Abdufattohov Ibrohimjon|Abdufattohov Ibrohimjon]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Abdufattohov Ibrohimjon|<sup><math>munozara</math></sup>]]) 05:30, 15-Iyul 2023 (UTC)

=== Xulosa ===
Umuman olganda, jamoa qoidani oʻzgartirishni qoʻlladi. Ammo yuqoridagi munozarani inobatga olgan holatda, qoidaga birdaniga emas, muayyan muddatdan keyin amal qila boshlashni taklif qilaman. Masalan, 2024-yilning 1-yanvaridan. Balki ungacha lotin alifbosi [https://kun.uz/uz/news/2021/04/06/lotin-yozuvli-ozbek-alifbosi-ozgarishlar-xronologiyasi isloh qilinadi] (buning ehtimoli juda oz, lekin baribir). Nima deysizlar? [[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|<span style="color:red;">N</span><span style="color:blue;">ataev</span>]] <sup>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Nataev|munozara]]</sup> 02:25, 30-Aprel 2023 (UTC)

:[[Foydalanuvchi:Nataev|Nataev]]; Hamma rozi bo'lsa tasdiqlagan ma'qul. Hamma ma'qullagan qoidani joriy qilmaslik, chalkashni yuzaga keltirishi mumkin. [[User:Salazarov|<font face="Georgia"><span style="color:#931FD5;">'''Salazarov'''</span></font>]][[User talk:Salazarov|<sup> (suhbat) </sup>]] 04:57, 30-Aprel 2023 (UTC)
::''Konsensus'' hamma bir ovozdan qoʻllab-quvvatlagan yechim emas, balki har bir foydalanuvchining bildirgan fikri inobatga olingan holda va Vikipediya qonun-qoidalariga muvofiq ravishda topilgan yechimdir. Shunday ekan, Nataev akaning fikrini oʻrinli deb hisoblayman va dastaklayman.
::[[Foydalanuvchi:Malikxan|<span style="color:green">Malikxan</span>]] <b><sup><small>[[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Malikxan#top|munozara]]</small></sup></b> 05:55, 30-Aprel 2023 (UTC)

== A critique on the WikiOromgoh-related article growth ==

WikiOromgoh is a admirable project for Uzbek Wikipedia.  In the three editions that have ran, nearly 40,000 articles have been produced totally. It has been also a tool to introduce new contributors to the rapidly expanding Uzbek project.

However, I have observed some significant problems regarding the way that WikiOromgoh's article creation is done. At first, I see that the most new articles are about villages in Uzbekistan, Turkey or another country. This is not good. It is reality that it aids the faster growth in Uzbek Wikipedia, however the gain of Uzbek Wikipedia in pageviews will be marginal at best, because no one will read this articles (the same thing happens in Greek Wikipedia for such articles). Example is [https://pageviews.wmcloud.org/massviews/?platform=all-access&agent=user&source=category&range=latest-20&subjectpage=0&subcategories=0&sort=views&direction=1&view=list&target=https://uz.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkum:Tojikiston_geografiyasiga_oid_chala_maqolalar here], where we can see that 2,216 Tajikistan-related geographical stubs yield only 1,795 pageviews in the last twenty days, of which only 19 more than ten. Also, this type of article creation is not very different from a robot, and in the most Wikipedias this type of growth has eclipsed due to quality concerns. 

The participants should give emphasis on expanding existing articles and write the notable missing articles. There are [[:Turkum:Chala maqolalar|37,974 pages for expansion]]. There is no page about adolescence or Visakhapatnam, city of India with more than 1,6 million residents. That articles give a really good amount of pageviews. Thus the camp should give more emphasis in article expansion and vital article creation. This text is just a proposal to improve the concept of WikiOromgoh and a form of constructive criticism. Congratulations for surpassing Kazakh, as well. I watch (and I am interested) the developments on Uzbek Wikipedia recently, and thus I offer you my advice.  [[Foydalanuvchi:NikosLikomitros|NikosLikomitros]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:NikosLikomitros|munozara]]) 23:29, 16-Aprel 2023 (UTC)

== Turkic Wikimedia Conference 2023 ==

Dear all,

From October 20 to October 22, 2023, [[:m:Wikimedians of Turkic Languages User Group|Wikimedia Turkic UG]], together with [[:m:Wikimedia Community User Group Turkey|Wikimedia UG Turkey]], will organize the second [[:m:Turkic Wikimedia Conference 2023|Turkic Wikimedia Conference]] in Istanbul, Turkey.

Turkic Wikimedia Conference is an annual gathering of Wikimedians and supporters of Wikimedia projects in Turkic languages. The conference aims to bring together all the people who work on Wikimedia projects and support the development of projects and the Wikimedia Movement on a local and global level. Today, more than 200 million people speak Turkic languages, and the geography of the speakers unites Turkey, Azerbaijan, Iran, Central Asia, China, and Russia. On this basis, the development and support of communities of Turkic-speaking Wikimedians are critical.

All Turkic communities and affiliations have the right to send [[:m:Turkic Wikimedia Conference 2023/Eligible affiliates|their delegates to the conference]], the costs of which will be covered by Wikimedia Turkic UG. The delegate selection process and all other relevant information are [[:m:Turkic Wikimedia Conference 2023/Registration|on the registration page]]. Please read it carefully. The deadline for registering delegates from communities and affiliations is July 20.

Self-funded individuals and other non-delegate participants may register until July 31st.

See you in Istanbul!

Kindly, – [[Foydalanuvchi:Mehman|Mehman]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Mehman|munozara]]) 08:13, 2-Iyul 2023 (UTC)

== MinT Machine Translation added to your Wikipedia ==

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== WM Turkic UG Ambassadors Program ==

Hi! We plan to receive a variety of feedback on the Movement Charter for the MCDC from Turkic-speaking regions and communities. Given that the region is not actively involved in the development of motion proposals, it is important for us to at least provide input for WMF from communities and contributors in the region during the implementation of the proposals. Thus, the committees working on the implementation of the recommendations, and in this case the MCDC team in particular, will be able to receive views, ideas and feedback from the region, and regional representatives will be able to learn more. We will do this through online and face-to-face meetings and various events. To help us, please respond to this message by pinging me. For more information: [https://w.wiki/7PvP https://w.wiki/7PvP] [[Foydalanuvchi:Kurmanbek|Kurmanbek]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Kurmanbek|munozara]]) 18:40, 4-Sentabr 2023 (UTC)

== Машхурда ==
I just created an article [[:uk:Машхурда]] and looking for an image to illustrate the article. --[[Foydalanuvchi:Perohanych|Perohanych]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Perohanych|munozara]]) 08:53, 14-Noyabr 2023 (UTC)

== <span lang="en" dir="ltr" class="mw-content-ltr">Coming soon: Reference Previews</span> ==

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== Средневековые срезднеазиатские ученые ==

В Узбекской википедии если есть эти статьи, то можете интервики поставить? [[:Kk:Қазақстан ғалымдары#Ортағасырлық ойшылдар]] [[Foydalanuvchi:Kaiyr|Kaiyr]] ([[Foydalanuvchi munozarasi:Kaiyr|munozara]]) 14:24, 16-Dekabr 2023 (UTC)